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#1 | RE: Arrays can change over time datum

Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:09 pm

I noticed that arrays can change over time. The one on the right hand side is an updated array that Martin has posted recently and left one is 5 weeks old.
I know that the composite bars are proportionally and can change over time because the bars in one row stand in relation to each other. But in the above case it doesn't have to do with proportional changes, in my view.
Martin also stated that the lowest bar can be a turning point. If I look it that way, then the 03/28 is still a turning point.
The bar on the 25th went up a lot for some reason I don't understand. But it seemed before a significant bar and now has become even more significant (or a definitive turning point)
Volatility on 03/28 is now gone where previously there was something.
In this case direction changes and the panic is still unchanged, but I noticed cases where that did change also.

[removed array - please see the gold report forum]

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#2 | RE: Arrays can change over time datum

Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:30 am

Interesting post - thanks for that. I think I need to print some of MA's arrays and study them more. I am looking forward to the trader service to studies the arrays in more detail

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#3 | RE: Arrays can change over time datum

Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:49 am

maybe Martin has indeed posted the new array only because the array has changed. In other cases where the array has not changed much, he doesn't post updates. This is just speculation from my side...

I have another example where the array has changed, but also one where the array has not changed much. If I remember correctly, I have these from the Gold report 2016, hence I've posted them in that subforum for the gold report. Please also see this post in the report forum about the report subforums.

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#4 | RE: Arrays can change over time datum

Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:35 pm

In the current weekly DOW array the turning points have changed a bit (pushed back 2 weeks).
Also in the monthly array April is not a turning point anymore . Everything else remains unchanged.
Arrays where generated on 4/4/16 + 4/13/16
direct comparison here in report forum

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#5 | RE: Arrays can change over time datum

Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:30 am

here is his explanation which I can't really reenact because the bars have changed in proportion to each other as well.
Although I know that Armstrong has himself admitted that arrays can indeed change over time (I don't have a link at hand though). He said something like ".... big turning points tend to stay unchanged...." which implies that they can change.
In any case, its a fact that they do often change over time (especially the weeklys) and this is not only because of new bars coming into the 12 data point window as Armstrong explains below.
Just recently he posted a weekly array and and another one was posted on the private blog on the August 16th. There it also can be clearly seen what i mean.

But I would also like to make it clear that I still find the arrays useful. It just important to know these things an pay attention to potential changes on the array.

Zitat
I have explained before that the plotting in this array is proportional to the hits within this slice of time. Therefore, back in July looking 12 weeks forward, the week of 08/15 was the biggest target. Then as we get closes and the weeks thereafter come into play, the size of the bars will change even if the same number of hits are present should there be another bar coming into this window with more hits.

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#6 | RE: Arrays can change over time datum

Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:58 pm

Zitat von Alex

I noticed that arrays can change over time. The one on the right hand side is an updated array that Martin has posted recently and left one is 5 weeks old.
I know that the composite bars are proportionally and can change over time because the bars in one row stand in relation to each other. But in the above case it doesn't have to do with proportional changes, in my view.
Martin also stated that the lowest bar can be a turning point. If I look it that way, then the 03/28 is still a turning point.
The bar on the 25th went up a lot for some reason I don't understand. But it seemed before a significant bar and now has become even more significant (or a definitive turning point)
Volatility on 03/28 is now gone where previously there was something.
In this case direction changes and the panic is still unchanged, but I noticed cases where that did change also.

[removed array - please see the gold report forum]

The nice thing about the new pro version release is that it tells u which arrays are important and which are minor. Its all written out in text format so u dont have to guess which array provides the strongest " hit(s)". The computer tells u which array is likely to produce an event.

ALSO it would be great to have more active discussions and get feed back on the new pro version of socrates. So 5ose of u out there dont be shy and post away. I will answer what i can and hopefully someone can answer my questions. Theres still a learning curve here to get to fully understand Socrates. This board seems quiet.

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#7 | RE: Arrays can change over time datum

Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:34 am

Zitat von Rob

Zitat von Alex

I noticed that arrays can change over time. The one on the right hand side is an updated array that Martin has posted recently and left one is 5 weeks old.
I know that the composite bars are proportionally and can change over time because the bars in one row stand in relation to each other. But in the above case it doesn't have to do with proportional changes, in my view.
Martin also stated that the lowest bar can be a turning point. If I look it that way, then the 03/28 is still a turning point.
The bar on the 25th went up a lot for some reason I don't understand. But it seemed before a significant bar and now has become even more significant (or a definitive turning point)
Volatility on 03/28 is now gone where previously there was something.
In this case direction changes and the panic is still unchanged, but I noticed cases where that did change also.

[removed array - please see the gold report forum]

The nice thing about the new pro version release is that it tells u which arrays are important and which are minor. Its all written out in text format so u dont have to guess which array provides the strongest " hit(s)". The computer tells u which array is likely to produce an event.

ALSO it would be great to have more active discussions and get feed back on the new pro version of socrates. So 5ose of u out there dont be shy and post away. I will answer what i can and hopefully someone can answer my questions. Theres still a learning curve here to get to fully understand Socrates. This board seems quiet.

Yeahh, I agree, we should be more active with the pro discussions. For example, it is strange the fact that every day in the daily array the first array in the agregate is always blue colour. Once I read that blue colour was bullish and pink bearish, but then MA said that it does not point specifically to bullish, the colour does not point to a direction. That is confusing to me. Either way, I have noticed that blue is normally bullish. Anyway I am happy with the pro but I would like to learn more and understand much better because sometimes I misinterpret Socrates.
Best regards

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#8 | RE: Arrays can change over time datum

Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:59 pm

Zitat von Rob

so u dont have to guess which array provides the strongest " hit(s)".

that's true, especially with the new array layout it's harder to see which one is higher when 2 bars are similar in height and not next to each other.
However, turning points can still change over time and therefore need regular monitoring for any changes, IMO.

@Entran30 as Rob wrote, those bars in the array are just numbers (hits). The colors only indicate if there is a change of higher or lower bars. Consecutive bars (e.g. 2, 5, 15, 25) will be shown in the same color. If after a 25 comes a 20, then the color would change in the array, but there is no other meaning in my opinion.
At one time interval the blue bar is meant to be bullish, at another point in time the blue bar can mean bearish direction. And then there is the cycle inversion where consecutive blue and red bar can mean only one particular direction (e.g. bullish) , even if they have different colors.

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#9 | RE: Arrays can change over time datum

Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:42 pm

Zitat von Alex

Zitat von Rob

so u dont have to guess which array provides the strongest " hit(s)".

that's true, especially with the new array layout it's harder to see which one is higher when 2 bars are similar in height and not next to each other.
However, turning points can still change over time and therefore need regular monitoring for any changes, IMO.

@Entran30 as Rob wrote, those bars in the array are just numbers (hits). The colors only indicate if there is a change of higher or lower bars. Consecutive bars (e.g. 2, 5, 15, 25) will be shown in the same color. If after a 25 comes a 20, then the color would change in the array, but there is no other meaning in my opinion.
At one time interval the blue bar is meant to be bullish, at another point in time the blue bar can mean bearish direction. And then there is the cycle inversion where consecutive blue and red bar can mean only one particular direction (e.g. bullish) , even if they have different colors.

Thanks for the explanation Alex!;)

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#10 | RE: Arrays can change over time datum

Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:18 pm

Another strange observation for the Dow array. There is a week in April which has 82 hits (turning point). However, the forecast array doesn't show it as a turning point (highest bar in the aggregate row), even though the text below confirms that the strongest target is the week with the 82 hits. In other words, the turning point in the Dashboard timing table does match with the forecast array articulation (text), but doesn't with the graph.

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#11 | RE: Arrays can change over time datum

Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:52 pm

the latest blog post from Marty indicates that the turining point in the graph is correct, rather then the timing table in the dashboard.
So now I'm confused

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#12 | RE: Arrays can change over time datum

Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:00 am

Zitat von Alex

Zitat von Rob

so u dont have to guess which array provides the strongest " hit(s)".

that's true, especially with the new array layout it's harder to see which one is higher when 2 bars are similar in height and not next to each other.
However, turning points can still change over time and therefore need regular monitoring for any changes, IMO.

@Entran30 as Rob wrote, those bars in the array are just numbers (hits). The colors only indicate if there is a change of higher or lower bars. Consecutive bars (e.g. 2, 5, 15, 25) will be shown in the same color. If after a 25 comes a 20, then the color would change in the array, but there is no other meaning in my opinion.
At one time interval the blue bar is meant to be bullish, at another point in time the blue bar can mean bearish direction. And then there is the cycle inversion where consecutive blue and red bar can mean only one particular direction (e.g. bullish) , even if they have different colors.

My understanding of the arrays is that the color has no meaning other than to alternate the colors to map the visuals of the arrays so they are easier to view. Also the highest array has the most hits but also the lowest array might be a significant event also.. Also i remember reading that Marty mentioned that the arrays can change ( actually another array might get more hits from a new sudden pending event and rise making the other arrays look smaller) during the same time line ie: monthly or weekly.

Hope i was helpful. As always double check the above info for yourself and post any corrections on this board. Thanks.

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#13 | RE: Arrays can change over time datum

Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:51 pm

Zitat von Rob

arrays can change ( actually another array might get more hits from a new sudden pending event and rise making the other arrays look smaller) during the same time line ie: monthly or weekly.

yeah, the manual states: "All the bars are standardized to the largest bar."
So if a larger bar come's into the array than what is already in the array, then all bars will have ajusted their height to the new, largest bar.

I've checked the timing table for the S&P for just one weekly array from one week to the next week. The number of hits for every single bar has changed for all 10 bars on the array. i.e. one has to check every week if the array has changed and a turning point is now earlier or later than before (or if there is no change)

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